At some point Thursday night, Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron will look across the field to the Rams sideline, and when he does, he will see not only a lot of players who he coached during his four years with the Rams, but also the head coach, Sean McVay, who helped jump-start Waldron's career by bringing a then offensive quality control coach with him from Washington when he became the Rams' head coach in 2017.
Under McVay, Waldron went from tight ends coach to passing game coordinator, and this offseason he became the Seahawks' offensive coordinator. And now Waldron will test his offense against his former boss' team in a game that is significant for all of the obvious reasons when it comes to the NFC West standings, but that won't be any different for Waldron despite who is on the opposing sideline.
"There's a lot of great relationships I have with people out in L.A., but as far as the game goes, I think there's two separate worlds I'm living in right now," Waldron said. "It's a football week for me. I'm excited to be in a Thursday night game, a Thursday night setting, divisional game. Just like last week, it was an important game. No difference this week as we approach this one coming up quick."
Yet even if Waldron is treating this week like any other this season, he does acknowledge that McVay and the Rams played a big role in him ending up an NFL offensive coordinator. But when it comes to coaches, friendship comes with a competitive streak, so no matter how appreciative Waldron is for what McVay has done for his career, he also still really wants to beat his friend and mentor.
"It's a great friendship," Waldron said. "He's meant so much to my coaching career. He's helped me tremendously, really helped me get to this position where I'm at now. I have a ton of appreciation for him. There's that part of it where we are such great friends and I have so much respect for him and what he's done for me personally, but then there's also that competitive part where that friendship also leaves and that competitive nature when you're going against each other. I'm sure I'll talk to him plenty throughout the course of the year like we've done in the offseason or earlier in this season, but this week is not about that. It's about the teams competing and the players that are going out there to play."
Talking to reporters in Los Angles this week, McVay noted that Waldron had a big hand in building the Rams offense since the two of them came to L.A. together in 2017, and said he's pulling for Waldron and Seahawks run game coordinator Andy Dickerson, who came to Seattle from L.A. with Waldron, to have a lot of success with the Seahawks, just not this weekend.
"Shane's great," McVay said. "Shane and I have a great relationship, I loved working with Shane. Shane was an instrumental, foundational piece of everything that's gone on since we got here as a new staff in 2017. We were together in Washington. I'm pulling for him to do well except when we play these guys. I've kept up with him, I'm familiar with what they've done—as I would anyways—but you're especially interested because it's one of your buddies. And Andy Dickerson is there as well. We still keep in regular touch, I'm really happy for the success that he's had, except for on Thursday this week."
McVay also noted that Waldron "certainly has his own spin on things in Seattle that you can see," particularly finding ways to highlight the strengths of players like Russell Wilson, DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.
"Like any good coach does, tailored the system to his players' skillsets," McVay said.
Yet even if the current Seahawks offense isn't an exact copy of L.A.'s, there's a reason Pete Carroll wanted to bring Waldron to Seattle.
"We have a lot of respect for what they do, obviously, so much that we brought it here," Carroll said.
And ultimately, what Carroll likes about both Waldron's and McVay's offenses ties back to a pair of offensive coaches that Carroll has long respected, Bill Walsh and Mike Shanahan. Shanahan and Carroll just missed working together in San Francisco—Shanahan left to become the Broncos head coach in 1995, the year Carroll was hired as the 49ers' defensive coordinator—but both are students of Walsh's West Coast offense, and Carroll in particular likes the spin Shanahan put on that offense, which he in turn passed on to McVay when they worked together in Washington.
"I'm very clear on what I think is important in the game in terms of approach and having an awareness of how run and pass fits together and how offense fits together with defense," Carroll said when asked what he was looking for when hiring an offensive coordinator. "Also, the understanding of how important the ball is to your play—to take care of it for your team. I start off with those big thoughts making sure the basics are touched and get those things knocked out. If you guys have watched the guys that I've hired over the years and how it's worked, there's always been a connection to Mike Shanahan. Mike Shanahan was one of my favorite coaches, back in the day, and his understanding of the ball and how he put together the West Coast offense that came out of Coach Walsh's system and how he evolved. Some guys evolved one way and some guys evolve another way. (Mike) Holmgren went from that same system, he went a little bit different with how he put together his running game. Mike, I always thought he had something special there, so I've been connected to guys from the background of that system for a long time if you guys can put that lineage together. I thought Shane (Waldron) and a couple other guys form that same background were guys that I was really excited about as well. Shane was the best right guy for our situation, for everything that we were trying to get done."
The Seahawks and Rams face off for the last game of the regular season on Sunday, Jan. 5, 2024. Kickoff is set for 1:05 p.m. PT. Take a look back through history at the Seahawks' matchups against the Rams.
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![Los Angeles Rams kicker Tom Dempsey (10) is seen in action during an NFL game against the Seattle Seahawks Oct. 31, 1976, in Los Angeles. (NFL Photos via AP)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/uoroymkodw8c9zlgngd2.jpg)
Los Angeles Rams kicker Tom Dempsey (10) is seen in action during an NFL game against the Seattle Seahawks Oct. 31, 1976, in Los Angeles. (NFL Photos via AP)
![Seattle Seahawks cornerback Cornell Webster (38) stops Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Drew Hill (29) during an NFL pre-season game Aug. 19, 1979 in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/NFL Photos)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/euaxzlmp5e2vblo6qrqj.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks cornerback Cornell Webster (38) stops Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Drew Hill (29) during an NFL pre-season game Aug. 19, 1979 in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/NFL Photos)
![Los Angeles Rams defensive end Jack Youngblood (85) sacks Seattle Seahawks quarterback Jim Zorn for a loss during the first quarter in this Aug. 28, 1982 photo in Anaheim, Calif. Youngblood was one of seven elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2001. (AP Photo/Doug Pizac)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/dwicjdsfxpqcvh2eunba.jpg)
Los Angeles Rams defensive end Jack Youngblood (85) sacks Seattle Seahawks quarterback Jim Zorn for a loss during the first quarter in this Aug. 28, 1982 photo in Anaheim, Calif. Youngblood was one of seven elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2001. (AP Photo/Doug Pizac)
![FILE - In this Aug. 13, 1987, file photo, Los Angeles Rams running back Eric Dickerson (29) breaks away from Seattle Seahawks' Joe Nash during an NFL preseason football game in Anaheim, Calif. On Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2017, Dickerson signed a one-day contract to retire as a member of the L Rams, reuniting the famous running back with his first NFL football franchise. Dickerson also became a vice president of business development with the Rams, who returned to Los Angeles last year after 21 seasons in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Lennox McLendon, File)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/snukcg79t8umexhnziim.jpg)
FILE - In this Aug. 13, 1987, file photo, Los Angeles Rams running back Eric Dickerson (29) breaks away from Seattle Seahawks' Joe Nash during an NFL preseason football game in Anaheim, Calif. On Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2017, Dickerson signed a one-day contract to retire as a member of the L Rams, reuniting the famous running back with his first NFL football franchise. Dickerson also became a vice president of business development with the Rams, who returned to Los Angeles last year after 21 seasons in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Lennox McLendon, File)
![Seattle Seahawks defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy (96) topples a St. Louts Rams quarterback (16) during a pre-season NFL football game in 1991. (Al Messerschmidt via AP)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/rocagq8chal3kgb4xk8r.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy (96) topples a St. Louts Rams quarterback (16) during a pre-season NFL football game in 1991. (Al Messerschmidt via AP)
![FILE - In this Sept. 10, 2000, file photo, St. Louis Rams' Devin Bush tackles Seattle Seahawks's Ricky Watters during the second half of an NFL football game in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer, File)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/xvamxfggaxmytin9iopt.jpg)
FILE - In this Sept. 10, 2000, file photo, St. Louis Rams' Devin Bush tackles Seattle Seahawks's Ricky Watters during the second half of an NFL football game in Seattle. (AP Photo/John Froschauer, File)
![Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck makes a pass against the St. Louis Rams during the first half in Seattle, Sunday Dec. 22, 2002. Hasselbeck passed for 303 yards completing 20 in 32 attempts as the Seahawks win 30-10. Behind is Rams' Troyka Jackson and Seahawks' Walter Jones. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/ccnvbrrultcavxh5tdsf.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck makes a pass against the St. Louis Rams during the first half in Seattle, Sunday Dec. 22, 2002. Hasselbeck passed for 303 yards completing 20 in 32 attempts as the Seahawks win 30-10. Behind is Rams' Troyka Jackson and Seahawks' Walter Jones. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)
![Seattle Seahawks' Alex Bannister (85) hits St. Louis Rams' DeJaun Groce after Groce caught a punt during the first quarter in Seattle Sunday, Sept. 21, 2003. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/ntva4konwkgpubelhcqk.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks' Alex Bannister (85) hits St. Louis Rams' DeJaun Groce after Groce caught a punt during the first quarter in Seattle Sunday, Sept. 21, 2003. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)
![Seattle Seahawks receiver Jerry Rice leaps to make a one-handed catch against the St. Louis Rams at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis, Missouri on November 14, 2004. The Rams won 23-12. (AP Photo/G. Newman Lowrance)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/cocidl4gvb3b0htc6bsv.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks receiver Jerry Rice leaps to make a one-handed catch against the St. Louis Rams at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis, Missouri on November 14, 2004. The Rams won 23-12. (AP Photo/G. Newman Lowrance)
![St. Louis Rams quarterback Marc Bulger, right, is sacked by Seattle Seahawks' Lofa Tatupu in the third quarter, Sunday, Nov. 13, 2005, in Seattle. The Seahawks won, 31-16. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/cbkdc3ito0rwgtj7qby0.jpg)
St. Louis Rams quarterback Marc Bulger, right, is sacked by Seattle Seahawks' Lofa Tatupu in the third quarter, Sunday, Nov. 13, 2005, in Seattle. The Seahawks won, 31-16. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
![Seattle Seahawks' Delon Branch, right, catches a touchdown pass in front of St. Louis Rams' Travis Fisher in the forth quarter in an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 15, 2006, in St. Louis. The Seahawks won 30-28. (AP Photo/Bill Boyce)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/vj65dbozv65pwkxaeqcp.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks' Delon Branch, right, catches a touchdown pass in front of St. Louis Rams' Travis Fisher in the forth quarter in an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 15, 2006, in St. Louis. The Seahawks won 30-28. (AP Photo/Bill Boyce)
![Cornerback Marcus Trufant #23 of the Seattle Seahawks lends a leaping hand as teammate Deon Grant #24 intercepts a pass intended for wide receiver Travis Taylor #18 of the St. Louis Rams at Quest Field on October 21, 2007 in Seattle, Washington. The Seahawks defeated the Rams 33-6. (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/h3gf4khwvjvamisjoq2r.jpg)
Cornerback Marcus Trufant #23 of the Seattle Seahawks lends a leaping hand as teammate Deon Grant #24 intercepts a pass intended for wide receiver Travis Taylor #18 of the St. Louis Rams at Quest Field on October 21, 2007 in Seattle, Washington. The Seahawks defeated the Rams 33-6. (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
![Members of the Seattle Seahawks line up one yard out of the end zone against the St. Louis Rams during the fourth quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Dec. 14, 2008, in St. Louis. The Seahawks won 23-20. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/bpfxvraq2bb2mpqrgvpj.jpg)
Members of the Seattle Seahawks line up one yard out of the end zone against the St. Louis Rams during the fourth quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Dec. 14, 2008, in St. Louis. The Seahawks won 23-20. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)
![Seattle Seahawks' Julius Jones (22) runs with the ball as St. Louis Rams' David Vobora falls behind in the second quarter of an NFL football game on Sunday, Sept. 13, 2009, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/bh8qldv6nvcoh9jm535w.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks' Julius Jones (22) runs with the ball as St. Louis Rams' David Vobora falls behind in the second quarter of an NFL football game on Sunday, Sept. 13, 2009, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
![St. Louis Rams running back Steven Jackson (39) is tackled by Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry (59) and Seattle Seahawks safety Lawyer Milloy middle, during the first quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 3, 2010, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/wt50wi3ozfrxxnbrxoex.jpg)
St. Louis Rams running back Steven Jackson (39) is tackled by Seattle Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry (59) and Seattle Seahawks safety Lawyer Milloy middle, during the first quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 3, 2010, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)
![Seattle Seahawks defensive back Brandon Browner breaks up a pass intended for Brandon Lloyd of the St. Louis Rams during an NFL game in Seattle on Monday, Dec. 12, 2011. The Seahawks won the game, 30-13. (AP Photo/G. Newman Lowrance)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/folpvcelp8muzvstutsz.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks defensive back Brandon Browner breaks up a pass intended for Brandon Lloyd of the St. Louis Rams during an NFL game in Seattle on Monday, Dec. 12, 2011. The Seahawks won the game, 30-13. (AP Photo/G. Newman Lowrance)
![Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson runs from St. Louis Rams outside linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar during the first half of an NFL football game Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings)](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/blps01jhhtxhmsr2igpu.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson runs from St. Louis Rams outside linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar during the first half of an NFL football game Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings)
![Seattle Seahawks vs St. Loius Rams; Malcolm Smith](https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/t_lazy/f_auto/seahawks/ml25ykutwcehbefrsafn.jpg)
Seattle Seahawks vs St. Loius Rams; Malcolm Smith
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Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Jermaine Kearse, right, pushes Los Angeles Rams cornerback Lamarcus Joyner away as he runs the ball during the second half of an NFL football game at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, Sunday, Sept. 18, 2016, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Jae Hong)
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Tyler Lockett's toe-drag touchdown reception from a Russell Wilson 13-yard looping-over-the-top-pass brought a feeling of poetic ballet to the skill of catching touchdown passes. The Seahawks defeated the Los Angeles Rams on Thursday Night Football, 30-29, at CenturyLink Field, October 3, 2019.
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